God has, in certain instances, revealed Himself in bodily form. You cant see that god desires to walk with his people and expects rhem to walk with him? Far too often, we allow traditions, even seemingly innocent ones, to become the basis for our understanding of Scripture. Sincerely, 1. It is possible that God literally walked in the Garden of Eden in the form of a human. If they dont walk with him no blessing no rain no food and punishment 7 times more. Well done! For the record, I strongly reject such a notion. The ESV accurately captures Adams response in verse 10. The article is not imposing a narrow standard that makes no room for inference or implication. 00:00. Thats the one where I spend time talking about the ages of Cain and Abel. I completely agree that Adam and Eve had the freedom to obey or disobey regarding the forbidden fruit, but that doesnt really have anything to do with my point in this post. Hi Nucc, Maybe it is implied elsewhere in the Bible? There is a possibility that we should understand that Hebrew text to be speaking about something more like the whirlwind at the end of Jobthat they heard the sound of God moving about (not walking) in the Garden. God goes to great lengths to explain how he wants the relationship to be. I also see or notice (for first time) that the description occurred after the fall & is only described once. Genesis 3:8 KJV. The first words recorded from Eve are from her encounter with the serpent. The Tree-of-Life was in the middle of the garden, also the Tree-of-Knowledge-of-Good-and-Evil. Because they nearly always cite the verse about Adam and Eve hearing the sound of the Lord walking in the garden. So there minds were NOT YET CORRUPTED until God ALLOWED there FREE WILL to be tested, just as the Father through the Holy Spirit ALLOWED Christ Jesus to be tested in the wilderness. We walk with the voice of God as well. Easy, no relevance to the story. Simply quoting Genesis 3:8 does not disprove the point of my post since that verse never says that they walked with God. It says, "they heard the sound of God walking in the garden", and, " they hid themselves from the presence of the Lord. It is like asserting that, since NO text in the Bible OUTRIGHT affirms that Adam ever saw the stars, then It is unwarranted to assume that he ever did see the stars.. 5 Now no shrub had yet appeared on the earth[ a] and no plant had yet sprung up, for the Lord God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no one to work the ground, 6 but streams[ b] came up from the . Surely, He wouldve given them the ability to do that right from the start. I know its there somewhere, isnt it? So if your standard were correct, then that same standard would itself have to be outright affirmed in the Bible. If you must doubt something, I think you would have to doubt that. Tim. The difficulties of translation, plus inevitable translator bias, can complicate getting a true understanding. This concept is very helpful and it incorporates all of the othersintelligence, communication, worship, dominion, an eternal soul. If you want to believe they did, thats totally fine with me. 9 The Lord God called to the man and asked him, "Where are you?". They may have walked with Him prior to the Fall, but it just doesnt say that. Keep up the good work. I think your comments are valid additional arguments that could be used by those who favor that view, but as you seem to recognize (it seems to follow), the arguments are not watertight. Its the generous support of our ministry partners that enables us to continue our eternity-shaping work. And to the hill of frankincense. The sound of movement. Then it says that Adam & Eve hid themselves from God's presence and then they confessed that they "heard" His voice and hid themselves from His voice. Yes this is almost like apples and oranges because our parents are here in physical form but just trying to make a point and the Bible clearly says no one knows what God looks like except His Son . It was perfectalmost. God communicated many things to Adam. (Posted on October 30, 2014, http://midwestapologetics.org/blog/?p=1349). But even that would not prove that He took strolls with Adam. God speaks, asking Adam where he is. Hi Daniel, They heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden at the time of the evening breeze, and the man and his wife hid from the presence of the Lord God among the trees of the garden. Thats correct, and I write about that in my book, Fallen. To add to the post above, another theological consideration is the temple. September 13, 2019. 8 In the cool of the evening, the man and his wife heard the Lord God walking around in the garden. I dont have a problem with people thinking that Adam and Eve walked with God (as I stated, they may have), but I want people to realize that the Bible doesnt say that they did. Since the Bible doesnt make this claim, its impossible to know for sure where people get the idea from. Thats the point of this post. In fact it comes to mind that the statement can be transcended as a statement of faith, that the Lord God was loving and personal as he claims himself to be and did walk with them, who knows. He was given power and authority by Father God to create the universe and all life within it. (NASB) Gen. 3:8. I think your comments were probably addressing this point though (http://midwestapologetics.org/blog/?p=1747). God called (using a Hebrew word that also means "to summon") Adam to face . And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her Seed; He shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise His heel.". Adam and Eve are walking around in the Garden of Eden, and they meet up with this serpent who asks them an interesting question: "Did God really say, 'You must not eat from any tree in the . Adam and Eve surely knew that the punishment for rebellion was deathand even if they didnt understand the fullness of that word, they knew it wasnt good. It would be far better to use a supporting argument that has a strong biblical basis. So if we can claim that they walked with God in perfect communion before sin, then we can stress how bad sin is because we dont get to do that anymore. Its not that the inferences are necessarily wrong, its that they should not be mistaken for the Word of God. If he was just manifesting himself in a strong wind, there would be no need to use the word walking. For more on the issue of Cains wife, see this article: https://answersingenesis.org/bible-characters/cain/cains-wife-who-was-she/. But even these passages do not necessarily imply that Enoch and Noah physically took walks with God. (Vs. 24 says He drove them out the he place Cherubims). Do you think the lord actually cares if pastors are saying Adam and Eve did walk with God? It doesnt say that they were walking with God. IOW, IMV Where Adam FAILED, Christ Jesus PASSED, *Saying all this Tim, I truly respect your thoughts and views as a brother in Christ. Your desire to keep us focused on what the Word actually says is to be commended. But I am very clear in the post that I have no problem with the notion that they might have walked with Him. Adam replies saying that he hid because he heard the sound of God. Hello Tim, I honestly do not understand why you are so hellbent on trying to make a point of saying that Adam and Eve did not walk with God? I can see that they heard either a sound or a voice. "Until the cool of the day when the shadows flee away, Turn, my beloved, and be like a gazelle. God's presence is also noted by . Even if this translation is accurate, which is debatable, it does not say that they walked with God. They will live forever, and as well see in the coming chapters, some of them have been given dominion over certain things. So they hid from the Lord God among the trees in the garden. This is what most people have in mind when they speak of the Lord walking with Adam and Eve. The only possible biblical reference to walking in the Garden of Eden is found after Adam and Eve sinned. . may I use your illustration in a short story that I will submit for publication on a non-commercial website (perhaps only my own personal website, if I cannot find acceptance at a more widely viewed site)? 4. Either way, prior to sin there was not a fractured relationship between God and man, but there certainly is as a result of sin. In God's sight they are like filthy rags. I would agree with much of what you wrote, and I believe Ive stated as much in the article and follow up comments. If I am walkin* with you I would assume you are walking with me? I decided to search the internet to see WHY people believe this. Would that seem that they must have heard His voice at some other time. Looking at that from an opposite perspective; Is it not also true that it is not stated they werent walking with God? Who were they conversing with? 14Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.. Two things that they did see. It does say he was afraid-afraid because they were naked. They hear a sound. The impression given is one of God being there in an embodied form, performing surgery on the man, building Eve and then walking her to Adam. Adam and Eve's Separation from God . What does it even mean? Its not even hard to imagine that Adam and Eve did walk with God prior to the fall. I would assume that they drank goats milk during this time as well. My goal in these types of blog posts is to encourage believers to look carefully at the text. I just want to offer a thought about Cain and Abels ages. One has still ? Or maybe they read Gods mind. And how many times is this a supporting argument for a main point or the main point itself? Based on the sheer number of people who have claimed this, it must be found somewhere in the Bible, right? To say that life was good in the Garden of Eden would be an understatement. If that suggestion is accurate, then it would have been a physical presence of God coming in judgment, similar to how He spoke from the whirlwind in Job. IMV they were walking in the IMAGE for which God created them with the FREE WILL to CHOOSE. You cant see that Leviticus expounds on how to walk with god? Perhaps some people may have this figurative sense in mind when they speak of our first parents walking with God. They are not taking a leisurely stroll with God, they are hiding from Him as He comes to announce His judgment. They forgot about God. I never really gave it much thought that Adam and Eve walked with God in the garden.God can and does whatever He wants to do. I appreciate the encouraging words. Adam and Eve lived in the Garden of Eden, surrounded by fruit trees and beautiful things. That's why he was walking in the garden: he wanted to meet with Adam and Eve and spend time with them. Hi Ed, well, they say that Jesuss life was that of God or perhaps he was God. Dont you think that Adam and Eve being new and first created that God would have been extremely close to them ? How cool would that be! For example, the Passover lamb was to be eaten (Exodus 12:8). I was scanning Gen 2&3 to use the text where God walked with Adam in the garden. Awesome, you as a Dad leading his children, as the word instructs. Its encouraging to know that my words have been very helpful for you. Thank you Michael. Other Biblical accounts clearly show this - as it is God who speaks with, walks with, and assist humans to discover His nature and His love. Hi Tim This walking refers to living a life that pleases God. They were created pre-programmed by God. See my article, Was Jesus Married? Notice that I said that I would argue that they are probably made in His image. I didnt claim that there was a clear cut and dry case that is beyond dispute. My argument wouldnt focus on the things you mentioned. Randy Alcorn (@randyalcorn) is the author of over sixtybooks and the founder and director of Eternal Perspective Ministries. In the later OT the Temple was the place of God's special presence where he made himself known and felt to Israel. Adam was ashamed to stand before God as he was now a sinner who was about to face his righteous God. God created human beings to have fellowship with him. And I think a strong case can be made for the notion that they werent in the garden very long at all. It is definitely possible that the person in the Garden was the preincarnate Christ. . If so, then it seems to follow that there would be ongoing communion and communication between God, Adam, and Eve. Then God shared his thoughts to Abraham of judging Sodom and Gomorrah. Keep up the search for accuracy. What can we honestly infer from the scriptures? Thanks for your focus on this and for sharing the fruits of your consideration of the passage. I dont believe this is a knock-down, drag-out argument, but given these details and many others described in my book, I believe angelic beings are very likely made in Gods image. Thanks for your question. While its true they could have been over 120 years old when Cain killed Abel, they also could have been any age from very young up to 120+. ( Genesis 3:13-15) When looking at Genesis 3:13-15, there is no direct indication that the serpent had legs, only that its curse would be "on your belly you shall go.". It would be far better to use a supporting argument that has a strong biblical basis. We are lonesome here, and it is difficult for us to remember how much You love us.' . Im not sure what this has to do with whether they walked with God in the garden. And how many times is this a supporting argument for a main point or the main point itself? For more information on the subject of Heaven, see Randy Alcorns book Heaven. Hi Ralph, Adam heard God making a sound (aside from speaking) that God had made before and which enabled Adam to recognise that it was the sound of God. Im not really sure how your comment addresses Eds point at all or anything in the article. when they heard God they hid from Him. Hi Tom, We know that the Israelites did eat some of their animals during the year. Ive heard so many people claim that the Bible says Adam and Eve walked with God in the garden (and some even add these words, in the cool of the day). He knew good because he once served God; he then knew evil because he committed evil in his rebellion from the Father. They got to take walks with him, check out the animals, enjoy the beau Again, nothing in Scripture tells us that they walked with God or carried on a conversation with Him. (Vs. 14) Did this wind also clothe Adam and Eve with skins from an animal that had to be killed? Adam and Eve were happy and satisfied in the beautiful garden. Adam did hear Gods voice at another time. 10 For if, when we were enemies of God, we were reconciled to Him through the death of His Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through His life! Whats not fine with me is saying that the Bible says something that it doesnt. The point of my post was not to condemn anyone who believes that they did. 18? John teaches that Christ the second person of the Godhead is the Creator "All things came into being through Him, and . There are many, many Christians who have heard and taught that Adam and Eve physically took walks with God in the garden before they sinned. 9 And JEHO. If so, that means Cain and Abel could have been over 120 years old when Cain killed Abel. by Erik Jones. When the Lord made him on the sixth day, He commanded him not to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. (Gen. 3:8) Adam is placed in the garden to "cultivate (abad)" and "keep (samar)" it (Gen 2:15). You say that since Gods coming is right after Adam and Eve sin, that His reason for coming is to proclaim judgment. Thanks for taking the time to comment. . Possible the sound he heard was uncharacteristically harsh & is why he was afraid. It was part of the sad deception that the man and woman who wanted so much to be like God, rather than obtaining the stature of deity, are afraid even to commune with him. In fact, they didn't even know what want and longing were! They were to work the land 6 years right? He does indeed come down, but this time for confrontation and judgment, whereas before it had been for fellowship. I dont know if I will recieve a responce or not, but it does not say that God made them skins from animals. And they heard the sound of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden Genesis 3:8. We cant know because the Bible doesnt speak to this at all. The first consequence of Adam and Eve's momentous decision to reject God's revelation was a . These were things i highly cherished. Then ended up here. I agree with your conclusion that we should not assume that God was at Adam and Eves beck and call, coming around for a stroll whenever they wanted Him there, or that God spent considerable time fellowshipping with them in physical form as friends do. Sorry for the delayed response. God asks them if they had eaten from the tree, but He already knows the answer. What was their relationship? In my searching I found your website and I am so glad I did. 1. I will make a helper suitable for him" ( Genesis 2:18 ). One fine, perfect Edenic day Eve was out walking. Adam tried to put the blame on Eve, and Eve tried to put the blame on the serpent, but God was angry with all three of them! Personal fellowship with God is at the very heart of our purpose for being! The children of Israel had a great amount of lifestock during the time of their exodus. So there is no need to appeal to some sort of walk in the garden for them to know Gods voice. So Adam could eat of every tree except for the . Hi Jeff, God appeared and revealed Himself in many different ways throughout the Old Testament. I would be with this item all day and be close to me at nite. With that in mind, what makes you say, from the text of Genesis, that the phrase translated cool of the day would be better translated a strong wind? If strong wind is the better translation, when prior to this event did God manifest himself to Adam and Eve in a strong wind in such a way that when they heard the strong wind on this occasion, they knew instantly that it was the sound of God? Thanks for reading! is not an accurate analogy. Could Adam and Eve have actually taken walks with God in the Garden? But your claim is based on only such a narrow standard. Man, this helped challenge me to really read through the scriptures on this topic. Gen 18 - Abraham's discussion and bargaining with the LORD (YHWH) Ex 3 - Moses at the burning bush. Psalm 29 also uses strong imagery to show how the sound of the Lord acts upon nature like a powerful storm, breaking and bending trees and stripping off their leaves (Psalm 29:59, NET). they heard the voice of the Lord God walking in the gardenThe divine Being appeared in the same manner as formerlyuttering the well-known tones of kindness, walking in some visible form (not running hastily, as one impelled by the influence of angry feelings). One of those commandments was as follows: "And the LORD God gave this command to Adam: 'You may freely eat from every tree in the garden, except you must not eat of the tree of the knowledge of . And in Genesis 3:10 Adam heard that familiar sound (be it foot steps, voice, wind or otherwise) & hid. We do see examples of theophanies in the Old Testament where God does appear to people in human form, as He did to Abraham. Our adversary seeks to discredit the validity of the Word of God. With this particular issue, the reason I addressed it is because I hear it so frequently. Adam fell because he freely chose to disobey God, but second because he listened to his wife who had also freely chosen to disobey. Genesis 3:8 Can you imagine what it must have been like in the garden of Eden, before sin entered the world? I have been studying this part about god walking with Adam when I came across your post. However, were here to serve everyone without cost, so please dont feel obligated to give unless the Lord leads. Before He came to earth two thousand years ago, Jesus appeared at various times in the Old Testament in a physical form. Lord God (pre-incarnate Jesus Christ) was also the burning bush that app. GOD'S WORD Translation. After creating Adam, God "put him in the garden of Eden to tend and keep it" (Genesis 2:15). The strong wind or breezy alternative is reflected in the notes of many English Bibles, such as the NASB, NET, and ESV, and it is even the translation of the HCSB. Genesis 3:2-5. And they heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day (Genesis 3:8).The use of the term walk with reference to God brings up the issue of God communicating to humankind in human language. The point was to urge Christians to pay closer attention to the text of Scripture. God walked with Adam and Eve in the Garden (Gen. 3:8). He put the Man he had just made in it. Lastly, as scripture verifies scripture, we see the second Adam, known as Jesus Christ in regular and perpetual contact with the same God and Father. The problem with this scenario is that Adam and Eve were almost certainly not in the Garden very long. The only mention of walking in that part of Scripture is while Adam and Eve are hiding from God in the garden. God appointed angels to guard the way back (Genesis 3:23-24). I hope this helps. Adam and Eve loved to . Although Exodus established that God was present everywhere through the judgement on Egypt, it also taught that God would be present in a special way in the tabernacle (later to be replaced by the temple). They hid when they heard God; however it was that they heard Him. We did not know, nor trained ourselves to do that and now see our own child in the consequences. Upon marrying, Moses recounts God's command for husband and wife: "a man shallbe joined to . Its one thing to believe that Adam and Eve walked with God and to recognize that its based on some fairly reasonable assumptions. In other words, he wasn't Jesus of Nazareth walking . Thank you for helpful writing. I dont find your suggestion to be plausible. Thank you for your thoughts I do understand the whirlwind , but Gen says God made them clothes from an animal to replace mans attempt of covering his nakedness. Not once. It would literally have been paradise just to walk with Jesus in the . Why would anyone ask such a silly question? But what does it really matter, what appears to have happened here (according to some of the responses) is that golden calves have been kicked over and religion has taken a bump on the shins. Even the best of our actions is imperfect. I worship in His presence and put off His presence! If so, Adam and Eve's reaction makes more sense. What do you think?? Not because I think Im right and feel holier than thou but it was just something burning in me saying NO. I hope this helps. Now turn to Chapter 4 of Genesis verse 13 Cain said to the Lord, My punishment is more than I can bear. God loved to come and take a walk in the garden in the evenings when the shadows were cool, and the flowers smelled sweet, and when all the animals came out to play. Thanks for reading and taking the time to share your thoughts. Maybe He was physically there throughout the short time that they were in the Garden, but I have my doubts., By a plain reading, Genesis 2:7 and 2:22c reasonably are inferred to imply that the place where God formed Adam, and then Eve, was a place some way *outside* of the garden (and this place likely being that of the shore of a river or a sea). It was idyllic. Useful insights. In this environment, Adam and Eve had safety, abundant food, meaningful work and fellowship with God. I am searching for ideas about the absence of God in the Garden. Thank you so much. As you know, I couldnt find it. 5. I have no problem with the concept of Adam and Eve walking with God and seeing Him. And maybe that is it, people just want to believe they they did as that is such a powerful feeling knowing God is walking with you. Joshua 1:8 This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success. As I mentioned near the end of the post, I have no problem with the idea that Adam and Eve may have walked with God. Im not saying this is true, Im just pointing out that scripture does not say skins of animals or that God killed animals to clothe them. (Genesis 3:8). Genesis 3:1-12; 21-24. who knows perhaps it was. My post is not arguing against the idea that Adam and Eve had some sort of relationship with the Lord prior to the Fall. They turned to their own ways, sinful ways. * In The Garden * And they heard the voice of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God amongst the trees of the garden. I dont believe I said anywhere in the post or in the comments that the coats of skin were made from animals, although I certainly believe this is easily the most logical conclusion. If youve been impacted by our resources, we invite you to make a year-end gift before December 31. Did they do this daily, weekly, etc.? He was given the title of the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil" because he knew good and evil. Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked, so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves. I dont really hear anyone saying, The Bible says Adam and Eve never walked with God in the garden, but if I did, then Id correct that as well. 2. But this does nothing to prove that they walked with God in the garden. Thanks for the comment and for taking the time to read the post. Ed, Is it so hard to see that broke the fall in a righteous or right standing with God, the first family would run hard to God. Adam's spiritual life, through fellowship with God, depended on Adam's respect for God's laws. Conclusion. For Adam to know that the sound he heard was the sound of God, he must have heard it before. God bless you. It also seems to assume that they were in the garden for quite a while when they almost certainly were not there for long at all. Here is the verse in its entirety. As I mentioned in the post, even if He walked through the Garden to speak to Adam and Eve it would not prove that they used to take walks with Him. I think it would be odd for God to first come walking in the garden with Adam and Eve only after they had sinned. Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden. 10 He answered, "I heard you in the garden. I agree that it is very possible that God walked with Adam and Eve in the garden but there is no written statement(s) that support this. 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